https://foundsf.org/index.php?title=FISSURES_IN_GAY_%27MECCA%27&feed=atom&action=historyFISSURES IN GAY 'MECCA' - Revision history2024-03-29T11:18:49ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.1https://foundsf.org/index.php?title=FISSURES_IN_GAY_%27MECCA%27&diff=34454&oldid=prevCcarlsson at 20:03, 25 October 20222022-10-25T20:03:58Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>"Most male homosexuals are still trapped by notions of masculinity. It is a familiar story—the oppressed worships the oppressor. Listen to the names of some of America's gay men's bars—The Stud, [[Folsom_Street:_The_Miracle_Mile | The Tool Box]], The Barn. What passes for gay men's art—including murals in these bars—often depicts such masculine characters as the Body-Builder, the Motorcyclist, the Cowboy. What goes on inside most of these gay bars often preserves the notion that the people inside are "real men," too. The billiard table, the sawdust on the floor, the leather vest on the bartender, and, most of all, the men standing around with carefully groomed indifference while quaffing their <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">beer </del>. The gay man's quest for masculinity, or exaggerated masculinity, cannot be dismissed as mere evidence of his sexism. Beyond that, it is evidence of oppression, evidence of how a minority is overwhelmed by the values and style of the majority.''</blockquote></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>"Most male homosexuals are still trapped by notions of masculinity. It is a familiar story—the oppressed worships the oppressor. Listen to the names of some of America's gay men's bars—The Stud, [[Folsom_Street:_The_Miracle_Mile | The Tool Box]], The Barn. What passes for gay men's art—including murals in these bars—often depicts such masculine characters as the Body-Builder, the Motorcyclist, the Cowboy. What goes on inside most of these gay bars often preserves the notion that the people inside are "real men," too. The billiard table, the sawdust on the floor, the leather vest on the bartender, and, most of all, the men standing around with carefully groomed indifference while quaffing their <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">beer</ins>. The gay man's quest for masculinity, or exaggerated masculinity, cannot be dismissed as mere evidence of his sexism. Beyond that, it is evidence of oppression, evidence of how a minority is overwhelmed by the values and style of the majority.''</blockquote></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''KIM:''' Once I saw that you could negotiate from vanilla, all the way through that I could have my friends watch, the first time I got tied up, and the second, and the fifth, and then, I liked having them <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">watch -- you </del>could develop interrelatedness to the other people who were at those parties frequently.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''KIM:''' Once I saw that you could negotiate from vanilla, all the way through that I could have my friends watch, the first time I got tied up, and the second, and the fifth, and then, I liked having them <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">watch—you </ins>could develop interrelatedness to the other people who were at those parties frequently.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''MARK THOMPSON:''' I think there's always been kind of an uneasy alliance. The leathermen and the drag queens were both marginalized, even though they were opposite ends of the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">spectrum </del>. You know, "Those nasty <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sadists -- that</del>'s not us. We're the nice gays. Those are the bad gays." So there was that element, even though I think a lot of them were hypocrites. Of course, they'd say that during the week, and then on Saturday night, they'd be with their feet up in the air, in a sling at the Slot or some place like that, hoping no one would notice.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''MARK THOMPSON:''' I think there's always been kind of an uneasy alliance. The leathermen and the drag queens were both marginalized, even though they were opposite ends of the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">spectrum</ins>. You know, "Those nasty <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sadists—that</ins>'s not us. We're the nice gays. Those are the bad gays." So there was that element, even though I think a lot of them were hypocrites. Of course, they'd say that during the week, and then on Saturday night, they'd be with their feet up in the air, in a sling at the Slot or some place like that, hoping no one would notice.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Ccarlssonhttps://foundsf.org/index.php?title=FISSURES_IN_GAY_%27MECCA%27&diff=34453&oldid=prevCcarlsson at 20:02, 25 October 20222022-10-25T20:02:09Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del>"Most male homosexuals are still trapped by notions of masculinity. It is a familiar story--the oppressed worships the oppressor. Listen to the names of some of America's gay men's bars--The Stud, [[Folsom_Street:_The_Miracle_Mile | The Tool Box]], The Barn. What passes for gay men's art--including murals in these <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">bars--often </del>depicts such masculine characters as the Body-Builder, the Motorcyclist, the Cowboy. What goes on inside most of these gay bars often preserves the notion that the people inside are "real men," too. The billiard table, the sawdust on the floor, the leather vest on the bartender, and, most of all, the men standing around with carefully groomed indifference while quaffing their beer . The gay man's quest for masculinity, or exaggerated masculinity, cannot be dismissed as mere evidence of his sexism. Beyond that, it is evidence of oppression, evidence of how a minority is overwhelmed by the values and style of the majority.''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><blockquote>"Most male homosexuals are still trapped by notions of masculinity. It is a familiar story--the oppressed worships the oppressor. Listen to the names of some of America's gay men's bars--The Stud, [[Folsom_Street:_The_Miracle_Mile | The Tool Box]], The Barn. What passes for gay men's art--including murals in these <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">bars—often </ins>depicts such masculine characters as the Body-Builder, the Motorcyclist, the Cowboy. What goes on inside most of these gay bars often preserves the notion that the people inside are "real men," too. The billiard table, the sawdust on the floor, the leather vest on the bartender, and, most of all, the men standing around with carefully groomed indifference while quaffing their beer . The gay man's quest for masculinity, or exaggerated masculinity, cannot be dismissed as mere evidence of his sexism. Beyond that, it is evidence of oppression, evidence of how a minority is overwhelmed by the values and style of the majority.''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></blockquote></ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Ccarlssonhttps://foundsf.org/index.php?title=FISSURES_IN_GAY_%27MECCA%27&diff=34451&oldid=prevCcarlsson: added photo and fixed formatting2022-10-25T20:00:08Z<p>added photo and fixed formatting</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''"Most male homosexuals are still trapped by notions of masculinity. It is a familiar story--the oppressed worships the oppressor. Listen to the names of some of America's gay men's bars--The Stud, [[Folsom_Street:_The_Miracle_Mile | The Tool Box]], The Barn. What passes for gay men's art--including murals in these bars--often depicts such masculine characters as the Body-Builder, the Motorcyclist, the Cowboy. What goes on inside most of these gay bars often preserves the notion that the people inside are "real men," too. The billiard table, the sawdust on the floor, the leather vest on the bartender, and, most of all, the men standing around with carefully groomed indifference while quaffing their beer . The gay man's quest for masculinity, or exaggerated masculinity, cannot be dismissed as mere evidence of his sexism. Beyond that, it is evidence of oppression, evidence of how a minority is overwhelmed by the values and style of the majority.''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><blockquote></ins>''"Most male homosexuals are still trapped by notions of masculinity. It is a familiar story--the oppressed worships the oppressor. Listen to the names of some of America's gay men's bars--The Stud, [[Folsom_Street:_The_Miracle_Mile | The Tool Box]], The Barn. What passes for gay men's art--including murals in these bars--often depicts such masculine characters as the Body-Builder, the Motorcyclist, the Cowboy. What goes on inside most of these gay bars often preserves the notion that the people inside are "real men," too. The billiard table, the sawdust on the floor, the leather vest on the bartender, and, most of all, the men standing around with carefully groomed indifference while quaffing their beer . The gay man's quest for masculinity, or exaggerated masculinity, cannot be dismissed as mere evidence of his sexism. Beyond that, it is evidence of oppression, evidence of how a minority is overwhelmed by the values and style of the majority.''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>"While fully recognizing the oppressive nature of dimly-lit bars in out-of-the way streets such as Folsom Street in San Francisco, we will continue to preserve the bars as temporary gay turf where there is at least minimal freedom for gay people."</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>"While fully recognizing the oppressive nature of dimly-lit bars in out-of-the way streets such as Folsom Street in San Francisco, we will continue to preserve the bars as temporary gay turf where there is at least minimal freedom for gay people."<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></blockquote></ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There was a great deal of fear about the [[Leather Kings|gay leathermen]] amongst their vanilla brethren. During the late '60s and early '70s, when many gay men and women were coming out, they were just learning to feel good about their own sexuality. To introduce forms of sexual behavior seen as even more bizarre and risky was doubling the burden. So even where there was curiosity about the S/M world, many gays suppressed it.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There was a great deal of fear about the [[Leather Kings|gay leathermen]] amongst their vanilla brethren. During the late '60s and early '70s, when many gay men and women were coming out, they were just learning to feel good about their own sexuality. To introduce forms of sexual behavior seen as even more bizarre and risky was doubling the burden. So even where there was curiosity about the S/M world, many gays suppressed it.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Ccarlssonhttps://foundsf.org/index.php?title=FISSURES_IN_GAY_%27MECCA%27&diff=27968&oldid=prevJeff: Text replacement - "category:Gay and Lesbian" to "category:LGBTQI"2018-10-16T15:09:04Z<p>Text replacement - "<a href="/index.php?title=Category:Gay_and_Lesbian&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Category:Gay and Lesbian (page does not exist)">category:Gay and Lesbian</a>" to "<a href="/index.php?title=Category:LGBTQI" title="Category:LGBTQI">category:LGBTQI</a>"</p>
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